Curse

Killed u man · Feb 08, 2011, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by go cubs

Lol, is it really that big of a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing deal?

Its not like RB is essential to the guildwars deal.

It really doesnt make a difference if you dont get top 100. Sure you get a mini but who cares. I do it just for the fun of it and getting 1st place. I dont care about a top 100 time. Cheaters will be present in every game. It happens

Most games don't slap the non cheating community in the face by throwing prizes at those cheaters.

go cubs · Feb 08, 2011, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Most games don't slap the non cheating community in the face by throwing prizes at those cheaters.

Yeah, but it shouldnt make people not want to play guildwars anymore. Mini pets arent a huge part of the game and sure itd be nice to have the extra 300e+ but i mean, some people can legit get 480k+ and if you cant you wouldnt get one anyway.

Cheating on RB is annoying I agree, but it doesnt make me hate the "Gw community". Theres a few people cheating, not everyone. I know like 20 of the top 100 and none of them cheat, so its not like the scoreboard is full of cheaters haha.

It really doesnt have that big of an impact on the actual game.

Itd be nice to have them banned, but its not game changing to the core game.

The prize for top 100 happens once a year, i say get over it.

(Honestly I'm not tryin to be an asshole here, I just dont see why people complain about cheating when it doesnt have a huge effect. Obviously I want Anet to change that and possibly ban them.)

novawhiz · Feb 08, 2011, 10:55 PM // 22:55

300e is a lot to go to these botters and cheaters but tbh they probably make that in a weeks worth of botting anyway. Id rather anet worry about amping up their anti-bot skills then try to rework some lame mini game cause of its expensive prize

Killed u man · Feb 09, 2011, 12:07 AM // 00:07

I wasn't just talking about RBR, but also about Snowball. And there's no excuse to throw out such redicilous prices at such flawed minigames. (Flawed because of tactical low entrance level, flawed because of the easyness exploit it)

I also think alot of people still believe it's a minority on the ladder cheating. Not everyone botted on ladder, but from browsing through the main people I've experienced cheating myself (by facing them last year), it's definatly atleast
60/100, that's counting all the acounts and doubles of which I know. (So any hidden aliases they'dd use for friend's acounts dont even show)

It' just stumbles my mind how Anet never put in IP restrictions for these events.

Anet seems to take exploiting all too serious, especially when real life money is involved (duping usually ends up in RWT), but here, they don't seem to give a fcuk there's douzens of people easily making 1000 dollars while at the same time kicking off legit players.

I gues they're too busy planning the planning of the promised updates.

novawhiz · Feb 09, 2011, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

It' just stumbles my mind how Anet never put in IP restrictions for these events.

i dont think they can or should do this. You cant just blanket limit every account on one IP adress. You have no clue what the circumstances are, whos playing on the IP, how many different people, etc. Plus there are probably ways to get around that to.

go cubs · Feb 09, 2011, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by novawhiz

i dont think they can or should do this. You cant just blanket limit every account on one IP adress. You have no clue what the circumstances are, whos playing on the IP, how many different people, etc. Plus there are probably ways to get around that to.

I wish there was an easy way to determine if someone was using multiple accounts but theres hundreds of excuses to use like It was my brother and I, or my family all plays.

I do think it is a little ridiculous how people have 5-10 accounts getting beetles and i dont think that is fair, but there really isnt an easy way to solve it except getting rid of the game and/or lucrative prize.

Without a doubt, they shouldnt put this prize up knowing there is so much cheating/multiple accounting going on because that is just stupid. Especially for multiple years.

With that said, I dont think people need to whine and complain about this so much, because it doesnt have that big of an impact and really, Anet probably doesnt care all too much about it because they dont have to.

Martin Alvito · Feb 09, 2011, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

No, I bet they will just leave it the way it is and the people that got a mini that shouldn't have just got lucky.

I agree that this is by far the most likely outcome. Some official confirmation would speed up the reestablishment of the market for the mini, however.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Most games don't slap the non cheating community in the face by throwing prizes at those cheaters.

If cheating explains the top times, then why have the same people been winning every year since 2007 and 2008? The sophisticated programs for cheating that you are referring to were not available then.

Scores have improved each year because players have kept experimenting to find additional ways to shave a fraction of a second here and a fraction of a second there. If you make enough incremental improvements, your scores will improve measurably. Cheating is unnecessary...and probably unhelpful, because touching other beetles is so bad and your client doesn't precisely display where your opponents are in reality.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

It' just stumbles my mind how Anet never put in IP restrictions for these events.

They want to sell more accounts. You think it's coincidence that it's one prize per account?

Shayne Hawke · Feb 09, 2011, 02:28 AM // 02:28

A good look through both lists reveals 37 names showing up on both lists, meaning that a total of 163 minipets were made available this year. Those extra 63 minis will only be available when the list glitches again.

It would be interesting to see if this happens again in the future, or if those extra 63 can be claimed during a future event. The Sixth Birthday Celebration is probably the soonest that the arena will be available again.

Polgara Val · Feb 09, 2011, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

It would be interesting to see if this happens again in the future, or if those extra 63 can be claimed during a future event. The Sixth Birthday Celebration is probably the soonest that the arena will be available again.

Pretty confident the npc little kid that gives you the Greased Lightnings as a reward isint placed during the birthday and dragon festival events.

So anyone who hasent claimed there "reward" will have to just try again during next years Canthan New Year event.

Pol

go cubs · Feb 09, 2011, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by Polgara Val

Pretty confident the npc little kid that gives you the Greased Lightnings as a reward isint placed during the birthday and dragon festival events.

So anyone who hasent claimed there "reward" will have to just try again during next years Canthan New Year event.

Pol

Im pretty sure he is still there during every roller beetle event, he just typically isnt used.

wick · Feb 09, 2011, 03:03 AM // 03:03

I got a 483,312 score with the first 3 boxes. My 1st box gave me spit rocks, so I took both the lake boxes. It does add about a second or so just by taking that extra box (going out of your way to the left, then out of your way forwards through the lake and back towards the right).

Optimally, getting Echo first and using it before entering the lake and having your "8" key ready is what will produce the least amount of time lost. But even with taking the 1st 3 boxes, I still got a 483 score, which is a kicker :P.

Luck was pretty shit tho this whole time xD

Polgara Val · Feb 09, 2011, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by go cubs

Im pretty sure he is still there during every roller beetle event, he just typically isnt used.

Nope, just looked at screenshots I took during the birthday and dragon festival events, both times he isint there.

Pol

go cubs · Feb 09, 2011, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Polgara Val

Nope, just looked at screenshots I took during the birthday and dragon festival events, both times he isint there.

Pol

Oh, huh well then yeah, i guess you cant get the reward again till next year.

Missing HB · Feb 09, 2011, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I wasn't just talking about RBR, but also about Snowball. And there's no excuse to throw out such redicilous prices at such flawed minigames. (Flawed because of tactical low entrance level, flawed because of the easyness exploit it)

I also think alot of people still believe it's a minority on the ladder cheating. Not everyone botted on ladder, but from browsing through the main people I've experienced cheating myself (by facing them last year), it's definatly atleast
60/100, that's counting all the acounts and doubles of which I know. (So any hidden aliases they'dd use for friend's acounts dont even show)

It' just stumbles my mind how Anet never put in IP restrictions for these events.

Anet seems to take exploiting all too serious, especially when real life money is involved (duping usually ends up in RWT), but here, they don't seem to give a fcuk there's douzens of people easily making 1000 dollars while at the same time kicking off legit players.

I gues they're too busy planning the planning of the promised updates.

That was mainly due to eye of the north in my opinion , i.e players starting to play for the reward and not for the fun anymore. You know , back in time , on first RBR i didn't care at all of getting 480+ ( however , i don't think scores were so high..). Now , with everyone farming UW 24/7 , playing at 5 am to get their HA title , syncing in RA , i don't believe people would play those At's if therre wasn't any reward ....
Quite same for "shopping" in kamadan. people used to buy weps because they looked cool , because they didn't saw that many , etc.... now people ONLY buy what is needed for title ( and at best , BDS or VS , that's all )

In my opinion , an easy fix would be to just turn down rewards ( i.e mini zippy customized , 30-50 rewards for snowball ATS instead of 150-250 , which was ridiculous..)

Rehnahvah Gahro · Feb 09, 2011, 11:31 AM // 11:31

Great Post. Much effort was put into it.

But here is a quick summary for the average player (like me):

Not. worth. the time.

Seriously, Mini-Beetles are getting cheaper and cheaper each year despite the fact that most guilds hold onto it to create artifical demand. Even with that it is only 370e or so (didn't check the newest prices). Is that worth the time?

The effort to farm these ectos or to trade them would be 100times easier and less frustrating than trying to get a top100 score. In the process you minimize the risk of dying from a heart attack or smashing valuable electronics out of rage.

I played Rollerbeetleracing the first year it was available and soon realized that too much luck was involved to get a top score. Haven't come back ever since.

Shayne Hawke · Feb 09, 2011, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by Rehnahvah Gahro

Seriously, Mini-Beetles are getting cheaper and cheaper each year despite the fact that most guilds hold onto it to create artifical demand. Even with that it is only 370e or so (didn't check the newest prices). Is that worth the time?

It might take me at most six hours to hit the highscore list for the first time, and double that to get a highscore that will stick.

If I play the arena with the mentality that I just want to farm Gamer points, then any highscores I get are essentially a bonus that cost me no extra time. This may as well be my current attitude, because I have no use for these miniatures anymore. I still hold onto the one I won the first year racing was around, got the second one hacked off me, gave away my third one, and I'm probably going to dump this fourth one off pretty cheaply too.

If I was to treat this mini at its full value, 370e is a pretty good reward for doing something I was pretty much trying to do in the first place - win. Whether the reward is worth the "time investment" comes down to one thing - if you're good enough to win the bulk of your matches or not. If you suck, not worth it. If you're good, it's a bonus.

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The effort to farm these ectos or to trade them would be 100times easier and less frustrating than trying to get a top100 score.

If you know a way to make 370e in a window of 12 hours that isn't powertrading, please let me know, because however you're getting money has to be that good in order for it to be a better way of making money than what I just did this weekend from my perspective.

Artisan Archer · Feb 09, 2011, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by Rehnahvah Gahro

Great Post. Much effort was put into it.

But here is a quick summary for the average player (like me):

Not. worth. the time.

Seriously, Mini-Beetles are getting cheaper and cheaper each year despite the fact that most guilds hold onto it to create artifical demand. Even with that it is only 370e or so (didn't check the newest prices). Is that worth the time?

The effort to farm these ectos or to trade them would be 100times easier and less frustrating than trying to get a top100 score. In the process you minimize the risk of dying from a heart attack or smashing valuable electronics out of rage.

I played Rollerbeetleracing the first year it was available and soon realized that too much luck was involved to get a top score. Haven't come back ever since.

Except I find farming is boring as **** and rollerbeetling actually quite fun. If you get aggravated easily a controlled environment like UW might be more suited for you but if you enjoy a competitive atmosphere rollerbeetling is more enjoyable. Matter of preference eh?

Tullzinski · Feb 09, 2011, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Bah! "Racers" have completely ruined a fun PVP experience. ANET should remove the mini and return RBR to an enjoyable PVP option. The greed of the community has destroyed this mini game.

I wonder if this attitude would have emerged if it was called Rollerbeetle Rumble and the mini was never offered. It is more fun engaging in battle than rage quitting/name calling if your "racing time" was ruined because someone used one of the multiple skills given to them by ANET to stop an opposing player.

Martin Alvito · Feb 09, 2011, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I wonder if this attitude would have emerged if it was called Rollerbeetle Rumble and the mini was never offered. It is more fun engaging in battle than rage quitting/name calling if your "racing time" was ruined because someone used one of the multiple skills given to them by ANET to stop an opposing player.

We race just as hard to post the top overall time when there are no minis at stake. Even if you took the leaderboard down, we'd be swapping screenshots of winning streaks and raging at players clearly out of the running that effectively gave away tokens in order to influence who won with a Blast or Lunge.

Competitive players are competitive. I'm willing to bet that there would be less vitriol, because the stakes would not be as high. But the basic design problem is that it is possible for players out of the running to influence the outcome of the race out of spite or sheer bloody-mindedness.

Shayne Hawke · Feb 09, 2011, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I wonder if this attitude would have emerged if it was called Rollerbeetle Rumble and the mini was never offered.

The only competition that RBR has for Gamer points is Dragon Arena. With how well I do, I get more points per hour from RBR than I do from Dragon Arena, and I don't have to worry about getting synced up with some good players or syncing against good players (as much). If the mini was gone, I would still play.

I probably wouldn't stress getting top times as much, but I would still play to get them, because the faster you are, the more distance you put between you and anyone else behind you, thus making you safer and getting you more points. Ending races faster also puts me in the next race sooner, allowing me to win even more points.

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It is more fun engaging in battle than rage quitting/name calling if your "racing time" was ruined because someone used one of the multiple skills given to them by ANET to stop an opposing player.

The end goal of the arena is to cross the finish line before anyone else. It is a race. A greater reward is given for pushing yourself to go faster than for picking up extra boxes and conserving Rams so that you can immediately KD anyone you see, because that's the point.

You can enjoy your knocking down of other racers, but if you come up against me, I'll have my fun of finishing first and making you one of the hundreds of racers I force out of the arena with no reward every event, because you don't understand the real point of the arena.